Legislature(2001 - 2002)

01/30/2001 08:05 AM House CRA

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HB  13-SERVICE AREAS:VOTER APPROVAL/TAX ZONES                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER announced  that the only order  of business before                                                               
the committee  is SPONSOR SUBSTITUTE  FOR HOUSE BILL NO.  13, "An                                                               
Act relating to  municipal service areas and  providing for voter                                                               
approval of the formation, alteration,  or abolishment of certain                                                               
service areas."  He noted  that the committee would be discussing                                                               
some  memorandums provided  by Legal  Services.   Co-Chair  Meyer                                                               
reminded the committee that the  public testimony portion of SSHB
13 had been closed at the prior hearing on SSHB 13.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0324                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CON  BUNDE, Alaska  State Legislature,  sponsor of                                                               
SSHB 13,  reminded the  committee that, at  one time,  there were                                                               
boroughs  and  cities.    When the  Anchorage  Borough  and  City                                                               
combined, there  were some advantages  for the  greater Anchorage                                                               
Borough and  the City of Anchorage.   However, those in  the more                                                               
remote areas  of the borough  realized that joining  the combined                                                               
borough and city would mean that  the area would lose some of its                                                               
autonomy.  Therefore,  in order to receive the  majority of votes                                                               
in both  the [borough and  the city],  a charter was  created and                                                               
agreed  upon.   The  charter  provided  that  those in  the  then                                                               
borough  should   continue  to  have  access   to  their  limited                                                               
services,  in  particular, the  limited  road  service.   Such  a                                                               
situation is  not unlike  what SSHB 13  proposes.   He emphasized                                                               
that SSHB 13 restates that the  limited road service areas have a                                                               
right to  continue to exist, unless  there is a majority  vote of                                                               
both parties involved.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 0568                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TAM  COOK,  Director,  Legal  Services,  Division  of  Legal  and                                                               
Research  Services, Legislative  Affairs  Agency, confirmed  that                                                               
she  had  provided  Representative   Bunde  with  three  separate                                                               
memorandums.  Ms.  Cook offered to answer any  questions from the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  related her  understanding that  SSHB 13                                                               
would place  limits on the  home rule community, not  the general                                                               
[law municipality].  She asked if her understanding was correct.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COOK  said  she   believes  that  Representative  Kerttula's                                                               
understanding is incorrect.   She explained that  SSHB 13 exempts                                                               
some categories of general [law  municipalities], but will impose                                                               
limits on other categories of  general [law municipalities].  She                                                               
used Haines, which is a third class borough, as an example.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  asked if there  could be impacts  on all                                                               
home rule entities.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK said, "As far as I know, that's true."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 0697                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA turned to  an opinion from the Department                                                               
of  Community and  Economic Development  (DCED),  which is  dated                                                               
January 29,  2001.   That opinion mentions  [in a  quotation from                                                               
Governor  Knowles'  veto  of  HB  133]  that  when  a  home  rule                                                               
municipality is concerned with a  matter of purely local concern,                                                               
the charter  and not a  legislative act  is looked to.   However,                                                               
Representative  Kerttula   recalled  that   one  of   Ms.  Cook's                                                               
memorandums  noted  that  law  can   change  how  a  municipality                                                               
behaves.   Therefore,  Representative  Kerttula  wondered if  the                                                               
legislature  could constitutionally  pass a  law that  interferes                                                               
with the behavior of the home rule municipality.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COOK  referred  to  Article  X, Section  11  of  the  Alaska                                                               
Constitution, which  reads as follows:   "A home rule  borough or                                                               
city may  exercise all legislative  powers not prohibited  by law                                                               
or   by  charter."     The   legislature   prohibits  home   rule                                                               
municipalities  from doing  many things.     Ms. Cook  maintained                                                               
that  the two  most significant  functions of  a borough  are the                                                               
power of education  and taxation, both of  which "the legislature                                                               
has completely occupied  the field."  The  home rule municipality                                                               
has no say  as to whether it  will be a school  district; that is                                                               
totally dependent upon its status as  either a city and a borough                                                               
or  a  borough.    Ms.  Cook  said,  "A  home  rule  municipality                                                               
exercises virtually  no discretion in  the world of  taxation and                                                               
education."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA questioned  [whether that  would be  the                                                               
case] with a matter of purely local concern.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK answered,  "I don't think the court is  going to be very                                                               
willing to substitute  its judgment for that  of the legislature,                                                               
as to  whether a  matter is  of purely  local concern.   ...   It                                                               
would take ...  some pretty strong facts, I think,  to persuade a                                                               
court."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  turned to  the "special areas"  level of                                                               
government and inquired as to what  is the common interest of the                                                               
entire state.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK  replied that  she couldn't answer  that question.   She                                                               
acknowledged that  there may be  some difficulty with SSHB  13 on                                                               
that  issue because  the  court  has said  that,  with regard  to                                                               
special and local  analysis, it decides on  a case-by-case basis.                                                               
Ms. Cook  noted that she  didn't have a  grasp of the  facts that                                                               
exist with  municipalities.  However,  she indicated that,  in an                                                               
abstract view of cases that  deal with local and special [areas],                                                               
the  Eagle River  case  did  have an  effect  that was  extremely                                                               
specific to a small area.  Ms.  Cook said, "This bill is not that                                                               
specific;  it   is  going  to   impact  quite  a   few  different                                                               
municipalities, I think."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA acknowledged  that  the legislation  had                                                               
been broadened  since last  year.  However,  she didn't  find the                                                               
common interest  for the  whole state, which  leaves her  in that                                                               
special and local interest [quandary].                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 1032                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI pointed  out that  DCED's letter  dated                                                               
January 29,  2001, says  that "the  Legislature should  impose no                                                               
home rule limitation, except where  the Legislature could clearly                                                               
demonstrate that  there is  overriding state  interest involved."                                                               
She asked if Ms. Cook disagreed  with that statement and that, in                                                               
fact, there  are many areas,  such as taxation and  education, in                                                               
which there are home rule limitations.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COOK said  that  she doesn't  disagree  with the  statement.                                                               
However, Ms. Cook  related her belief that DCED's  statement is a                                                               
policy  statement,  not  a legal  statement.    The  constitution                                                               
clearly allows  the legislature to  grant home rule powers  as it                                                               
sees fit.  Although the  legislature may need to exercise caution                                                               
when  interfering with  home  rule  governments, the  legislature                                                               
has,  time and  again, made  the decision  whether to  limit home                                                               
rule municipalities.  Ms. Cook said:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     I don't  have the  knowledge to  conclude ...  that the                                                                    
     bill that you're considering isn't  something that is a                                                                    
     policy matter that shows some  state interest.  I can't                                                                    
     see offhand  that it necessarily  follows that  a court                                                                    
     would  disagree   with  the  legislature  ...   if  the                                                                    
     legislature  chooses to  make  the  policy choice  that                                                                    
     it's going  to protect -  in some fashion -  the voters                                                                    
     of  existing  service areas  and  that's  what we  have                                                                    
     here.  So  ..., if you're alleging that's  itself not a                                                                    
     ... reasonable statewide goal,  perhaps the court would                                                                    
     agree.  But  I certainly wouldn't think  ... that would                                                                    
     necessarily follow.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI  surmised  then  that  Ms.  Cook  would                                                               
disagree  with  the  statement  that there  is  the  standard  of                                                               
overriding state  interest that must  be established in  order to                                                               
impose limitations on a home rule borough.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK answered that she had never seen such a case.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI related her  understanding that Ms. Cook                                                               
is  saying  that  this  is  a  policy  statement  rather  than  a                                                               
statement of law.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. COOK reiterated that she had never seen such a case.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI commented that  perhaps she could obtain                                                               
more information from the author of the letter.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA requested  that the  Deputy Commissioner                                                               
of  DCED speak  to  his letter,  which has  been  the subject  of                                                               
discussion.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  noted that  he had not  received a  copy of                                                               
the letter from DCED.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JEFF  BUSH,  Deputy  Commissioner, Office  of  the  Commissioner,                                                               
Department  of  Community  & Economic  Development,  deferred  to                                                               
Margie  Vandor, Department  of Law,  in regard  to Representative                                                               
Murkowski's question.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1332                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARGIE VANDOR,  Assistant Attorney General,  Governmental Affairs                                                               
Section,  Civil  Division  (Juneau),  Department  of  Law  (DOL),                                                               
turned to  the case  law regarding when  home rule  charters have                                                               
been viewed as  controlling law versus a legislative  act.  There                                                               
are  two cases  that [DOL]  believes  to be  the supreme  court's                                                               
reading  of  when  a  home  rule  charter  will  control  over  a                                                               
legislative  act.   The first  case, Lien  v. City  of Ketchikan,                                                             
occurred in 1963  and that case was noted in  the governor's veto                                                               
message  last year.    The  case of  Lien  v.  City of  Ketchikan                                                             
involved a legislative act that  was general across the state and                                                               
dealt with  how a  city could  lease its property.   The  City of                                                               
Ketchikan had its own charter provision  as to how it could lease                                                               
its property.  In that case  the supreme court stated that when a                                                               
matter  is truly  of local  concern, the  charter rules  over the                                                               
legislative act.   Ms. Vandor noted that this case  was cited and                                                               
expanded several  times.    Although the  case was cited,  it was                                                               
overruled  -- in  the  sense that  it didn't  apply  in cases  of                                                               
schools -- in the McCauley  v. Hildebrandt case, which determined                                                             
that a  home rule  couldn't determine that  it had  an overriding                                                               
concern  as to  how  it would  participate  in certain  statewide                                                               
school functions and programs.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  VANDOR  informed the  committee  that  the Chugach  Electric                                                             
Association case  refined the Lien  v. City of Ketchikan  rule by                                                           
developing  the local  activity  rule.   She  explained that  the                                                               
Chugach  Electric  Association  case  dealt  with  an  electrical                                                             
cooperative  that had  a service  area that  it wanted  to extend                                                               
into  the City  of Anchorage.   The  city didn't  want to  give a                                                               
permit  for  that extension.    In  this case,  Chugach  Electric                                                             
Association,  the Alaska  Supreme  Court stated  that  this is  a                                                             
matter  not of  local concern  only because  the cooperative  was                                                               
created  under the  state  law  to exist  and  thus the  progress                                                               
[extension] could not be stopped based on a permitting code.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  VANDOR turned  to the  issue at  hand, local  service areas.                                                               
Ms. Vandor said,  "We don't see where it is  a statewide interest                                                               
as to how  home rule versus a general law,  with less than 60,000                                                               
people  is a  matter of  statewide concern."   How  local service                                                               
areas  are  set up  is  a  matter  for  the borough  assembly  to                                                               
perform.  She  indicated that allowing the  borough assemblies to                                                               
set  up the  local service  area would  mean that  a minority  of                                                               
people  would  be  controlling  the  general,  areawide,  borough                                                               
assembly  in this  matter.   However,  advisory  boards would  be                                                               
fine.   Ms. Vandor didn't  see that the statewide  interest would                                                               
be   upheld  since   the   legislation   exempts  entities   with                                                               
populations of  60,000 and less.   She said that she  wasn't sure                                                               
why  this legislation  would  only apply  to  certain classes  of                                                               
boroughs   and   certain   populations,  especially   when   [the                                                               
legislation] impedes  on a home  rule borough, which  has special                                                               
status  in the  constitution.   Furthermore,  the Alaska  Supreme                                                               
Court has analyzed when a  charter provision versus a legislative                                                               
act will control.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1642                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI inquired  as  to what  would  happen if  a                                                               
borough assembly wanted  to create a service  area with different                                                               
taxing  jurisdictions; that  cannot  be done  under current  law.                                                               
Therefore,  Representative  Scalzi  viewed  SSHB  13  as  a  tool                                                               
allowing more  expansion of local  control versus a  hindrance to                                                               
local control.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. VANDOR indicated that it would be  one thing if the bill is a                                                               
tool that is an option versus a  mandate as to how a service area                                                               
must be  operated.  She said,  "The difference here is  that it's                                                               
either a  limitation on their  power -- they  have to do  it this                                                               
way -- or it's a matter of choice that they could do."                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI   commented  that  a   [borough  assembly]                                                               
doesn't have the choice now.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  VANDOR said  it would  be fine  to make  it a  choice.   She                                                               
commented that she has not taken  a stand as to whether combining                                                               
service areas with  one service area board  doing oversight would                                                               
establish  differential tax  zones within  a service  area.   "It                                                               
seems  to me,  it's  combining several  and  maybe you're  having                                                               
administrative oversight over the three," she said.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 1734                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI related  his  understanding  that SSHB  13                                                               
leaves  it  for  the  service  area to  decide  rather  than  the                                                               
assembly.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. VANDOR explained  that [this bill] limits how a  home rule or                                                               
general  borough can  alter, abolish,  or  combine their  service                                                               
areas.   This reminded  Ms. Vandor  of Local  Boundary Commission                                                               
rulings.   She remarked that  sometimes the local people  are not                                                               
the best to  decide what is really [appropriate]  for the broader                                                               
good.   Therefore, the  Local Boundary  Commission does  have the                                                               
authority  to  review issues  on  a  statewide level  and  decide                                                               
whether  an  area  should  be incorporated  or  annexed  for  the                                                               
broader good.  Such a structure  is no different than how borough                                                               
governments are set up with an  assembly that is elected from the                                                               
general populous.  Therefore, allowing  a minority of the borough                                                               
to  decide whether  a service  area could  join the  area or  not                                                               
seems to be in opposition to what is done at the borough level.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1848                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI  pointed  out   that  the  assembly  would                                                               
maintain  the power  as  to  whether the  service  area would  be                                                               
created  or not  and  thus the  assembly  would maintain  overall                                                               
oversight as to what and how service areas are created.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. VANDOR agreed  that would be the case when  service areas are                                                               
initially established.  However,  SSHB 13 addresses the situation                                                               
of altering a service area.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO recalled  that,  at a  prior hearing,  the                                                               
sponsor   mentioned  that   currently   the   state  imposes   53                                                               
restrictions,  aside from  their charter,  on local  governments.                                                               
He  inquired as  to why  this  [restriction imposed  by SSHB  13]                                                               
would be any different.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  VANDOR  said  she assumed  that  Representative  Halcro  was                                                               
referring  to limitations  placed  on home  rule  boroughs.   Ms.                                                               
Vandor returned to  her opinion on the court cases  and what is a                                                               
matter that  is of local concern  versus a general law  that will                                                               
be applied statewide and of  statewide concern.  Ms. Vandor said,                                                               
"It really  goes back  to analysis of  the 'local  activity rule'                                                               
and whether  or not mandating  how a  home rule borough  or other                                                               
boroughs, except  for a  certain class of  boroughs, has  to deal                                                               
with their road  service areas ... [and] whether  that's a matter                                                               
of general  application statewide  and is of  statewide concern."                                                               
Ms. Vandor noted that from the  case law she has read, she hasn't                                                               
heard any analysis as to why  this is a statewide issue since the                                                               
road  service  areas  are  established to  deal  with  the  local                                                               
services.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  recalled   discussion  from  last  week's                                                               
hearing  regarding  the  Alaska  Supreme Court's  ruling  on  the                                                               
police protection issue  in Anchorage.  The  Alaska Supreme Court                                                               
ruled  that police  protection was  for the  greater good  of the                                                               
community.  However, he had  difficulty believing that the courts                                                               
would rule in  a similar fashion in regard to  local road service                                                               
areas.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Number 2059                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS.  VANDOR directed  attention to  the Kenai  Peninsula case  in                                                             
which  a service  area  tried  to sue,  although  a service  area                                                               
[board]  doesn't  have  any  legal  standing  separate  from  the                                                               
borough.   Ms. Vandor didn't  see where that would  change [under                                                               
SSHB  13],   although  she  supposed  that   the  local  citizens                                                               
themselves could sue.  In  response to Representative Halcro, Ms.                                                               
Vandor  could   not  recall  the  facts   surrounding  the  Kenai                                                             
Peninsula case.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA returned  to the  issue of  taxes versus                                                               
service  areas,  which she  believes  are  two different  issues.                                                               
Under SSHB  13, the service  areas would, in essence,  be allowed                                                               
to decide  whether or not to  combine.  However, the  tax returns                                                               
to the assembly for the decision.   She asked if that distinction                                                               
was correct.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. VANDOR replied, "I believe so."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI  indicated   his  understanding  that  the                                                               
assembly has  overall oversight on  the taxing  mill rate.   If a                                                               
service area  comes up, even  with a differential tax  mill rate,                                                               
and  proposes a  differential tax,  that would  still have  to go                                                               
before the assembly for approval.   He asked if his understanding                                                               
is correct.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. VANDOR replied, yes.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2170                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BUSH  directed  the  committee's  attention  to  Ms.  Cook's                                                               
opinion  dated  January 26,  2001,  regarding  local and  special                                                               
legislation.  Ms.  Cook's opinion, in regard to  the exemption of                                                               
populations  60,000   and  under,   says,  "Upon   examining  the                                                               
legislative goals and  the means used to advance  them, the court                                                               
determines whether  the legislation bears a  fair and substantial                                                               
relationship  to   a  legitimate   state  purpose."     From  the                                                               
[department's] perspective,  [the department]  has yet to  see or                                                               
understand  a  state  purpose  in  the  distinctions  being  made                                                               
between  the  smaller  general  law  boroughs  versus  home  rule                                                               
boroughs.  As  Ms. Cook says, there has to  be a legitimate state                                                               
purpose and the record has to reflect it.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  remarked that  he  found  it amazing  that                                                               
government officials say  that local people are  not qualified to                                                               
decide what  is good  for them.   With  regard to  the overriding                                                               
statewide   concern,  Representative   Bunde  questioned,   "What                                                               
greater concern  could there  be in  this state,  than empowering                                                               
local voters."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2275                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA inquired  as to why SSHB  13 shouldn't be                                                               
applied  across the  board,  to  all home  rule  and general  law                                                               
[boroughs].   She  further inquired  as to  the reasoning  behind                                                               
having the distinctions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE BUNDE  answered that [the bill]  focuses where the                                                               
problem  is.   The smaller  boroughs do  not seem  to have  these                                                               
problems with local service areas.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  asked whether  there could  be problems                                                               
for  these   smaller  boroughs  in   the  future  and   would  it                                                               
appropriate to address that now.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE pointed  out that  the local  service areas                                                               
don't exist [in  the smaller boroughs] and he  didn't expect them                                                               
[to  develop  in the  smaller  boroughs].   Representative  Bunde                                                               
reiterated that SSHB  13 focuses on the problems  that arose when                                                               
boroughs and cities combined.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 2365                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI  commented  that  he knew  of  areas  with                                                               
populations  under 60,000  that  could use  this statute  change.                                                               
Representative  Scalzi asked  if  Representative  Bunde would  be                                                               
amenable to allowing  SSHB 13 to apply to  areas with populations                                                               
under 60,000.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE   indicated  he   was  amenable   to  such.                                                               
However, he explained that he didn't  want to create a burden for                                                               
local governments by requiring additional elections.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI recalled that  the additional expense of                                                               
elections would not be an  issue because these elections would be                                                               
held at the  next scheduled election; there would  not be special                                                               
elections when a new subdivision was added.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  BUNDE  agreed   with  Representative  Murkowski's                                                               
understanding.   Representative Bunde clarified that  his earlier                                                               
remark spoke  to his concern  that [a smaller area]  with limited                                                               
resources would be asked to perform a broader election.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 2470                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  asked if  Representative Scalzi  wanted to                                                               
pursue an amendment.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI answered  that he didn't want  to pursue an                                                               
amendment in  this committee.   However, he  wanted to  point out                                                               
that  there are  [smaller] areas  that [may  want to  utilize the                                                               
process embodied  in SSHB 13].   He  noted that if  other members                                                               
wanted to change  [SSHB 13] so that it would  apply statewide, he                                                               
would  support that.   Representative  Scalzi  announced that  he                                                               
would support SSHB 13 and recommend a "Do Pass."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER asked,  "Are you making a motion that  we move the                                                               
bill?"                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI   replied  yes.     Representative  Scalzi                                                               
mentioned  that  he has  experience  in  local governments.    He                                                               
informed the committee  that the City of Homer  has an annexation                                                               
proposal  that came  about because  [the city]  could not  have a                                                               
differential tax  mill rate with  Homer's fire service area.   He                                                               
explained  that in  Homer's case  the [annexed  area] was  large,                                                               
which  made it  difficult to  bring  everyone in  under one  mill                                                               
rate; it wasn't going to be  a fair system.  The law's limitation                                                               
as well as the assembly's  inability to create a differential tax                                                               
mill  rate caused  the fire  service  area to  fail.   Therefore,                                                               
Representative  Scalzi  viewed  SSHB  13  as  a  tool  for  local                                                               
government.     Furthermore,  he   believes  that   the  assembly                                                               
maintains control since  the assembly sets the mill  rate and has                                                               
ultimate influence in regard to how  a service area is formed and                                                               
thus  Representative  Scalzi viewed  SSHB  13  as providing  more                                                               
local control rather than less.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2605                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  noted that Representative  Scalzi has  moved that                                                               
the committee  report SSHB  13 from  committee with  the attached                                                               
fiscal notes.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI said  that it isn't clear,  in her mind,                                                               
that SSHB 13 doesn't have  constitutional problems.  The issue as                                                               
to whether  SSHB 13 meets  the local  versus state test  seems to                                                               
remain  and  thus  she  indicated  that  Representative  Scalzi's                                                               
recommendation would  be worth review.   Therefore, she suggested                                                               
that  Representative  Bunde  look  into  Representative  Scalzi's                                                               
recommendation in  order to avoid constitutional  problems in the                                                               
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA noted her  objection to reporting SSHB 13                                                               
from committee due to the  constitutional problems.  Furthermore,                                                               
she noted that she had not  heard any resolution to the statewide                                                               
interest issue.   Representative Kerttula said  she also believes                                                               
that SSHB 13  should be referred to the  House Judiciary Standing                                                               
Committee in order to address the constitutional issues.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:47 a.m. to 8:48 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HALCRO  asked  if  the sponsor  would  accept  an                                                               
additional committee of referral for SSHB 13.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER said  that the committee should first  vote on the                                                               
motion to move  SSHB 13 out of committee and  pending the results                                                               
of the vote,  the decision will be  made as to whether  to add an                                                               
additional committee of referral.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  requested that the committee  first decide                                                               
whether  to give  SSHB  13 an  additional  committee of  referral                                                               
because that  would determine  whether or not  he would  sign the                                                               
bill report  with a "Do  Pass."  Representative  Halcro expressed                                                               
his concerns  regarding the constitutionality  of SSHB 13  and he                                                               
also  expressed his  desire to  give SSHB  13 a  referral to  the                                                               
House  Judiciary Standing  Committee.   He  announced  that if  a                                                               
referral to the  House Judiciary Standing Committee  was added he                                                               
would sign the bill report with a "Do Pass."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took another at-ease from 8:50 a.m. to 8:52 a.m.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2832                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI withdrew his motion  to report SSHB 13 from                                                               
committee.   There  were  no objections  and  thus the  committee                                                               
returned to committee discussion.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  remarked that the opposing  legal opinions                                                               
indicate  the   need  for  more   time  on   [the  constitutional                                                               
concerns].  He said he believes it  to be in the best interest of                                                               
the sponsor to make  the bill air tight before it  is sent to the                                                               
governor.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KERTTULA  said  that   it  would  be  helpful  to                                                               
determine  whether there  are  any cases  with  regard to  voting                                                               
rights and  whether [voting rights]  alone result in  a statewide                                                               
interest.   Representative  Kerttula  reiterated the  need for  a                                                               
House  Judiciary  Standing  Committee  referral.    With  such  a                                                               
referral, she  said that she  wouldn't object to moving  the bill                                                               
from committee.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  announced that he  and Co-Chair Morgan  feel that                                                               
requesting a  House Judiciary Standing Committee  referral should                                                               
be a committee decision.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2967                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  moved that the committee  recommend that                                                               
SSHB 13 receive a House Judiciary Standing Committee referral.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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CO-CHAIR  MEYER   announced  that  there  was   no  objection  to                                                               
Representative   Kerttula's  motion   and   thus  the   committee                                                               
recommended  that  SSHB 13  receive  a  House Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee referral.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 8:57 a.m. to 8:58 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 2936                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO  moved to report  SSHB 13 out  of committee                                                               
with  individual recommendations,  the  accompanying zero  fiscal                                                               
note,  and  the recommendation  for  a  House Judiciary  Standing                                                               
Committee referral.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SCALZI  suggested  that   [the  request  for  the                                                               
referral] to the House Judiciary  Standing Committee include some                                                               
language regarding the specific  [judicial concerns] of the House                                                               
Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER announced  that the committee aides  would draft a                                                               
memorandum to  that effect.   Co-Chair Meyer also  announced that                                                               
hearing no objections,  SSHB 13 would be reported  from the House                                                               
Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                              

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